HD Watermarking....

anyone see this: Verance says it will license audio watermarking for high def...if so, what would this mean for backing up HD stuff as, presumably, players that look for watermarking would not play such material.....

My first thought was they are doing what Videocipher 2 did for Cband, change from VC1-no sound unless you upgraded your board. No subtitles or alt language, but you can watch.

would current players support this? If not then they would play backups. If players did support this, then as soon as it saw a playback without AACS (i.e. watermarking with no AACS) it would shut down. Thus no backups would ever be possible without a firmware "fix" in the standalone. Is this right?

Unless you found a way to remove the watermark, which probably won't be much easier.

In another thread discussing dvd-audio, it was said that you could hear the watermark. If this is true, and you knew it was a 50 meg file... and the watermark occurs at 2:15 ... then you could approximate where to look for the watermark in the file (+/- 250k).

this seems like the perfect copy protection....why even bother with AACS as even if unencrypted, the player would pick up the watermark and stop playing....unless the watermark is really noticeable

wouldnt stop the remuxes though. unless they secretly started adding the water mark to dvd and cable/sat broadcasts

Couldn't you reverse engineer a player that is able to detect watermarks and use the same code to find them and remove them? Granted, you'd lose audio quality unless the original track was lossless, but wouldn't that effectively defeat these measures?

Is this watermarking a "got to find the key to unlock it" issue... And if so. When and if it dose come to pass then should it not be a memory resident to decrypt and use. to get a direct stream copy with out the watermarking... (IE picking the lock) Or is it a Audio resident (high frequency echo) that will vacate the entire market for bluray disks and players period... (No one wants any quality loss. Not even if its not noticeable) Bluray will sink like the titanic if this be the case... Bluray (Sony) is in for a major market crash if they are banking on this new type of DRM... (it will be the Sony killer) And if M$ Jumps on board with this in its own HD DVD's Then HD/BD DVD's will quickly become be a thing of the past 12 months and die, and that's that... Be used for nothing but cup coasters and data holders... They are playing Russian Roulette with a loaded pistol...

That what I was trying to say... My bad lol.